More T-Mag Cuntiness
18 Dec 2009T-mag is back at it again, with another thread o’ lies:
http://tnation.tmuscle.com/free_online_forum/music_movies_girls_life/alan_aragon_looks_like_a_smug_prick
There’s nothing exceptional here, besides the usual T-Men being T-Men, and the T-Moderators locking the T-Thread because somebody said something that might lead to real discussion.
Of course Bill Roberts, as always, is the highlight of this show. Let’s look at some choice cuts:
(In reference to Alan being banned from the forums)
He says that he is but I suspect that is not the case. He has had posts appear relatively recently, and there is one thread where he has made claims that his posts weren’t going through but the fact was — as I was active in the thread at the same time — posts were coming up in that thread in real-time and he in fact had his back-and-forth with me. So in other words, his claims on that subject are known to not necessarily be true.
Ol’ Slippery Shill, spinning it for his bosses again. “Everybody knows” that T-Mag doesn’t ban you, Shill. They just stop approving your posts when they make a good point.
Myself, I wouldn’t ban or moderate him though, as in my experience with him thus far, all that happens is that he discredits himself. But I can appreciate that the site may not appreciate what is agitation for the sake of agitation, which is his goal.
Sure Shill. He discredits himself when you’re allowed to run off at the mouth with your stupid shit, but can’t get a post in to respond.
That’s called “lying”, Shill.
Shill Roberts, in response to someone stating that Pubmed was a good source of information:
Problems here are that non-scientists have an unfortunate tendency to assume that findings under a given circumstance — the actual study of the study — “must” carry over or probably do to entirely different circumstances, or assume that measured outcomes, e.g. post-exercise protein syntheiss, “must” or probablhy do carry over to what is of actual interest, such as acquisition of strength and size.
The conclusions these abstracts-debaters come to generally in no way necessarily follow from what they cite.
Very simply, pretty much anyone interested in gaining strength and size would do better to get a couple of Weider books from the 70s and follow them than to base their information on forums specializing in debating Pubmed abstracts. Really.
No matter that the first is “anecdotal” and the second “scientific.”
What is not scientific is ASSuming that the specific outcomes measured under the specific circumstances studied in fact carry over to the actual circumstances that will be involved and towards the actual long term goals in mind. But it feels scientific to those doing it, I guess.
Now this was written in response to the claim that “we” (that is, the crowd of us on the Monkey Island/Body Recomposition forums) use Pubmed as an authority when it comes to information.
This of course has to be countered by the lowest-common-denominator, completely un-critical, un-analytical, and utterly gullible thought process – heretofore known as “Bro science” because I know the T-Men love that term so much. And it’s easier to type.
Oh where to start with Shill’s strawman? For one thing, none of “us” are abstract-debaters. I can tell you for a fact that “we” argue from the full papers – that’s right, shocking! But yes, we actually get full papers and even read them, before drawing conclusions.
Secondly, Shill’s making the usual IdiotTM assumption that we draw protocols and exacting workouts or diets from these papers. To that I say, bullshit. Nobody does that, because that would be fucking retarded. This is just Shill trying to make it sound like he knows what the fuck’s going on.
As usual, he doesn’t, but he’s good for laffs. The Internet just wouldn’t be right these days without Shill’s blustering stupidity, which he vomits up to impress a bunch of 18 year olds.
If that thread vanishes, let me know. I made a mirror copy as I always do, so if it vanishes I’ll just host it.
Wow. YOu know I really like the information and resources you publish on your site and I have it as an RSS feed so I don't miss anything. This post wants me to ditch the whole thing.
How incredibly childish do you have to be to (a) bring a pissing match from another site to your blog and (b) use words like "cuntishness" in a blog that some people might read at work, thinking that there would be real, adult, non-obscene non-hate in the feed?
Do you think that this post might be just a little .. unnecessary? If you have a personal issue with someone I guess it's your blog if you want to play a "cuntish" game on it. But this post makes you just as "cuntish" as they are.
IMO.
Kara, I really wonder if you've paid much attention, because this blog was originally started to mouth off about things I don't like in the fitness industry. In fact, if you'll notice, the good portion of posts I've made have been of that nature. The fact that I've decided to throw in useful material along with that is beside the point.
Simply put, if I want to write about it, I'm going to write about it. You might have noticed I don't like censorship, and I'll be damned if someone's going to come on my site and tell me what I can't write about.
If you don't like it, you've got a very simple solution: don't read it.
If you're complaining about reading this at work, then I have no sympathy for you. For one, I'm under no obligation to make this site work-friendly, and for two, if you get in any trouble for what you read here, that's your own fault.
You're welcome to read. That's why the site is here. But sending me this kind of passive-aggressive comment because you don't like foul language? Please. Go somewhere else if that's the kind of white-wash you want.
Now c'mon Matt! you should definitely keep those of us who read your blogs posts at work in mind! We might get fired for reading obscene material during the work day! Shame on you!
lulz
Lol @Kara. Yes because your "boss" will notice the letter "f*ck" from a distance of 5 feet. Hell, even 3 feet is too long. The only "adult" shit that can be noticed from afar are videos and pics. Get over it.
And Matt, heh I'm surprised you actually have the patience to go through, no, suffer through this T-Nation crap. That whole site is like a bad Soap Opera. But at least Soaps have sexy girls to look at… T-Nation doesn't even have any visually redeeming qualities. What a shame.
Keep up the work tho.
Gotcha.
FTR, you might want to learn what "passive-aggressive" really means. Stating your thoughts clearly and openly in a comment isn't passive-aggressive.
I'm not looking for white-wash. I'm looking for basic adult behavior. Obviously it's not what I'm going to find here.
When you come to a blog that's effectively devoted to delivering hate on the fitness industry, and then complain because you get what you pay for…well, you're right, passive-aggressive is the wrong term. I'd call it what it really is, but you seem to have something against foul language so I'll let it be.
Coming to someone's blog and calling him "childish" because you disagree with the content isn't up there on the adult scale, either. The difference is, I admit it from the outset.
I don't play Miss Manners and I don't have any problem with speaking my mind. If that's what you want, T-mag's ready to welcome you with open arms. You can have all the censored adult discussion you want.
Oh, and uh, FitJerk – perhaps you're not aware that large corporations routinely screen incoming packets of data from the internet looking for certain key words. It's not about what my boss might see over my shoulder – my boss couldn't care less what I do in the Internet as long as it doesn't violate corporate policy. But if my employer's corporate auto filters flag the word "cunt" in a blog I read, I could get disciplined for it. So could many other readers who also work for large companies and read blogs while at work. Perhaps that doesn't matter to any of you – but if you want your words to be read, you might consider that some large companies have fairly aggressive filters.
Just a thought.
a blog that’s effectively devoted to delivering hate on the fitness industry
My mistake. And I mean that sincerely. I honestly thought, based on the other posts I'd read that this was a site about presenting real, honest information on fitness and health and debunking the bullshit con artists who pose as fitness gurus or instructors.
I don't have problems with adult language, and I don't care to participate in "censored adult discussion". I do, however, have issues with "hating" in all it's forms and I don't think that bringing up fights from other forums has it's role on a legitimate informational blog.
As I said, I had a very wrong conception of what this place is and obviously this is not a blog I should be reading or feeding for that reason.
Suit yourself, Kara. If foul language offends you that much, and if you're determined to prejudice your reading based on your closed-mindedness, then I agree, you have no business reading this site.
What I don't understand is why you seem to be of the impression that I am the one losing out in this proposition. I've got nothing to lose by chasing away touchy-feely readers with no sense of humor, nor people that want to dictate what I should and shouldn't write about based on what offends them personally. The funny thing about free speech: sooner or later, something's going to piss you off and offend you. This is my site, and if you don't like what's on it, don't read it.
The funny thing is, this is a debunking of con-artist bullshittery…but because you don't think it's appropriate, I shouldn't write about it. Yeah. I'm so upset that I'll only get nine or ten hours of sleep tonight.
I would note however that you used the word "cunt" in your first comment more than I did in the entire post. Take from that what you will as you e-rage.
dear matt,
you should change the very identity of your blog and soften the h8 so i can read it at work.
IMstupidbitchO
see also: fuk u cunt
Kara,
Fuk U Cunt
No I wasn't aware of what large corporations routinely check for and frankly, I couldn't give two shits because you see this sentence you wrote here:
"It’s not about what my boss might see over my shoulder – my boss couldn’t care less what I do in the Internet as long as it doesn’t violate corporate policy"
End of discussion. If your boss doesn't give a fuck what you do as long as you do your job then why the hell would you get disciplined. Whatever.
Stop the bitching and just keep reading.
Kara,
Pleeze don't be made that Matt's drunken slip plunged his engorged cock into your asshole, not your cunt, before it was lubed.
It's a common mistake.
Suit yourself, Kara. If foul language offends you that much…
You obviously have reading comprehension issues. That explains a lot.
No, Kara, I don't have reading comprehension issues. You have trouble sticking to a point.
How incredibly childish do you have to be to (a) bring a pissing match from another site to your blog and (b) use words like “cuntishness” in a blog that some people might read at work, thinking that there would be real, adult, non-obscene non-hate in the feed?
The nice thing is that the Internet leaves a record of things. See your point (b) right there? You can say you aren't complaining about foul language, but your very first comment is a complaint about foul language.
You don't even seem to know what you're complaining about, honestly. It looks like you got your knickers in a twist and decided to complain, and now you're not even sure why.
*weep* *weep* *weep*
[obligatory comment to kara: “fuk. u. cunt.”]
Kara – I think you got your thong in a bunch over simple diction. You should gather up your rational faculties and not cut off your nose to spite your face, and let Matt express his unbridled opinion – regardless of his choice of words. For you to dismiss or abandon a resource such as Matt on the basis of his colloquialisms (female anatomy notwithstanding) shows you have not only a) thin skin, but also b) little discernment.
Matt – bravo. Broski.
Hah, fuck… on the flipside, T-Nation should write about the commotion about the cuntiness on THIS post.
Hello Matt.
You may not know me, but I know you.
For years you have been nothing more than a majin vegeta obssesing science wanking internet asshole.
Now it seems you got your shit together, and your articles are great. Keep it up, and write more.
Cheers.