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Balthazar and myself have been talking about applying some of the other Russian-ish stuff (namely Prilepin's Table) to Mike Tuchscherer's Reactive Training System.

I've been playing with a lot of spreadsheets lately and I've attached a first-draft version of one I've come up with.

This is very powerlifting-oriented, and it includes three separate cycles: three weeks of volume emphasis, three weeks of intensity emphasis, and then one separate four-week wave cycle.

The volume and intensity phases are meant to be done back to back, while the four-week wave is more standalone.

What this does it take a basic loading/intensity zone, whether 60-70%, 70-80%, 80-90%, or 90%+, then assigns a working rep range and a target RPE number. The total volume is up to you, based on the weight used and how it feels (RPE).

The fatigue drop-offs are explained loosely, but basically what these are is a measure of how much your performance should decrease before you call it quits. Once your working weight becomes more difficult (i.e., it slows down, starts grinding, "feels harder", etc.), you'd reduce the load according to that fatigue drop-off value - which Mike T calls a fatigue stop.

So if it says 5% and you're working with 100x5, then your drop-off would be 95x5. In the volume phase, you'd immediately reduce the the weight to 95x5 and work until that became difficult (the second fatigue stop). In the intensity phase, you'd lower the load incrementally until you reached that fatigue stop. So you might go 97.5x5, then 95x5.

In practice each exercise is going to have a time limit (which I haven't included in this first spreadsheet), though you'd do well to think of that as "go no longer than X minutes" rather than "must work to X minutes". If you hit fatigue first, stop. You don't have to keep going for 20 minutes just because the exercise says go for 20 minutes.

If you hit the time limit first, stop. The time limit is there to make sure you don't take 10 minute rests between sets and go all day long. You'll have to keep up a reasonable rate of work.

I'll probably put up more of these in the future as I try them out in the gym and see how effectively they translate to reality. In the mean time, feel free to play around with this one and see how it works out for you.
Also that version is for Office 2007, so if you're using an older version, use this one.
I like seeing myself talked about as balthazar
Template for squats (or any single exercise, really).
The MS 2007 version:
One thing I like for spreadsheets is using the ROUNDUP function, then subtracting 5 so everything ends in 5. Everyone knows 2.5's are for sissies. Awesome

For Example: =ROUNDUP((A5*.5),-1)-5
I use kilos bish
If Matt was a real man, he would round up to the nearest 20kg
(08-22-2009 08:17 AM)ThePman Wrote: [ -> ]I use kilos bish

Is that like in cocaine measurements? Please, I don't speak foreigner. Badger
(08-22-2009 08:54 AM)Balthazar Wrote: [ -> ]If Matt was a real man, he would round up to the nearest 20kg

I was using that example for the laypeople of the world. I round mine up to the nearest 100! Anything less is uncivilized.
Any real need for the assistance exercises or can you just use the same exercises? Instead of back squat and then pause squat, can't you just go back after military press and do back squat again? (looking at first day of Week 1 in the Volume cycle)

(08-19-2009 10:25 AM)ThePman Wrote: [ -> ]Balthazar and myself have been talking about applying some of the other Russian-ish stuff (namely Prilepin's Table) to Mike Tuchscherer's Reactive Training System.

I've been playing with a lot of spreadsheets lately and I've attached a first-draft version of one I've come up with.

This is very powerlifting-oriented, and it includes three separate cycles: three weeks of volume emphasis, three weeks of intensity emphasis, and then one separate four-week wave cycle.

The volume and intensity phases are meant to be done back to back, while the four-week wave is more standalone.

What this does it take a basic loading/intensity zone, whether 60-70%, 70-80%, 80-90%, or 90%+, then assigns a working rep range and a target RPE number. The total volume is up to you, based on the weight used and how it feels (RPE).

The fatigue drop-offs are explained loosely, but basically what these are is a measure of how much your performance should decrease before you call it quits. Once your working weight becomes more difficult (i.e., it slows down, starts grinding, "feels harder", etc.), you'd reduce the load according to that fatigue drop-off value - which Mike T calls a fatigue stop.

So if it says 5% and you're working with 100x5, then your drop-off would be 95x5. In the volume phase, you'd immediately reduce the the weight to 95x5 and work until that became difficult (the second fatigue stop). In the intensity phase, you'd lower the load incrementally until you reached that fatigue stop. So you might go 97.5x5, then 95x5.

In practice each exercise is going to have a time limit (which I haven't included in this first spreadsheet), though you'd do well to think of that as "go no longer than X minutes" rather than "must work to X minutes". If you hit fatigue first, stop. You don't have to keep going for 20 minutes just because the exercise says go for 20 minutes.

If you hit the time limit first, stop. The time limit is there to make sure you don't take 10 minute rests between sets and go all day long. You'll have to keep up a reasonable rate of work.

I'll probably put up more of these in the future as I try them out in the gym and see how effectively they translate to reality. In the mean time, feel free to play around with this one and see how it works out for you.
Also that version is for Office 2007, so if you're using an older version, use this one.
I'm looking at Tuchsherer's RTS in a deeper fashion myself. I'm not quite on board with his ideas about GPP/Prehab/Hypertrophy, etc, being on separate sessions.

I was going to talk about some templates that include the RTS fatigue stops as well as focused hypertrophy work, but wanted some ideas on how to stable the hypertrophy work onto the template.

The basic idea was to take his basic template, reduce the training slots from 6 to 4, and utilize the other slots to 'balance' the work done, mostly upper/middle back stuff, etc. Of course, hypertrophy work doesn't quite require the attention to detail that

Then I just come to realize that you could drop a waved fatigue stop in place on top of Wendler's 531 template and do the rest of the shit in that fashion.

Example:
Week 1: 5@9, 6%
Week 2: 3@9, 8%
Week 3: 1@10, 10%

I'm not sure how the 1@10, 10% will play out because I haven't tried it yet.

I'm also having issues with the lifts not feeling solid, despite being stronger, which might be easily remedied by switching to an alternating squat/dead assistance, dead/squat assistance kind of thing.
Now that I'm looking at what you've done, it's essentially the same fucking thing I'm thinking of, done a bit differently.
Yeah it's similar. I'm not using fatigue stops at the moment because my strength sessions are limited (I'm de-fat-fucking for now), but throwing the dropoffs in is something I'll do once I'm in a position to handle more volume.

For whatever it's worth, it does seem to be working well enough with the limited-volume approach, and with each big lift getting hit just once a week.

With Mike's basic weekly template, I'm with you. There's no way I could handle the volume he's suggesting for pressing without something blowing up. I'd think at least 50-60% of that would have to be handed over to back and general shoulder-girdle corrective stuff just to keep me moving.

The lower body work would maybe be tolerable as he's got it, but I'd have to keep on top of food and sleep.
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